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作者: 辕义    时间: 2020-7-24 09:13
标题: 玩哲学的进来
你看过额哲学里,最喜欢哪一句
作者: 辕义    时间: 2020-7-24 09:14
复制链接去微信抓人
作者: 辕义    时间: 2020-7-24 09:15
论坛聊天和微信聊天不一样
作者: 辕仁    时间: 2020-7-24 09:20
弗雷德·耶利内克,奥地利女作家,是中欧公认的最重要文学家之一,与文学的认知来源于音乐的熏陶。
作者: 辕义    时间: 2020-7-24 09:26
辕仁 发表于 2020-7-24 09:20
弗雷德·耶利内克,奥地利女作家,是中欧公认的最重要文学家之一,与文学的认知来源于音乐的熏陶。

不知道这个人,原来文学和音乐密不可分呀!
作者: 辕义    时间: 2020-7-24 09:27
辕仁 发表于 2020-7-24 09:20
弗雷德·耶利内克,奥地利女作家,是中欧公认的最重要文学家之一,与文学的认知来源于音乐的熏陶。

她有什么语出惊人的吗?
作者: 辕仁    时间: 2020-7-24 09:29
辕义 发表于 2020-7-24 09:26
不知道这个人,原来文学和音乐密不可分呀!

专业的音乐素养赋予她的文学创作很多与众不同的特色。
作者: 红尘一僧    时间: 2020-7-24 09:30
你先把哲学定义找来
作者: 辕义    时间: 2020-7-24 09:36
红尘一僧 发表于 2020-7-24 09:30
你先把哲学定义找来

哲学是什么,搜狗输入法跳出的答案是
哲学是单纯的为求知而进行的学问
作者: 辕仁    时间: 2020-7-24 09:37
辕义 发表于 2020-7-24 09:27
她有什么语出惊人的吗?

她说,我们一直用我们睁开的双眼眺望,只为寻找自己,然后努力生长,力争成为森林。
作者: 辕义    时间: 2020-7-24 09:38
辕仁 发表于 2020-7-24 09:29
专业的音乐素养赋予她的文学创作很多与众不同的特色。

有点像你
作者: 辕义    时间: 2020-7-24 09:38

作者: 辕义    时间: 2020-7-24 09:39
很喜欢你的此刻,你的原创歌曲
作者: 辕仁    时间: 2020-7-24 09:42
红尘一僧 发表于 2020-7-24 09:30
你先把哲学定义找来

哲学是关于世界观的学说,是自然知识和社会知识的概括和总结
作者: 辕义    时间: 2020-7-24 09:44
辕仁 发表于 2020-7-24 09:37
她说,我们一直用我们睁开的双眼眺望,只为寻找自己,然后努力生长,力争成为森林。

明白了
作者: 辕义    时间: 2020-7-24 09:44
红尘一僧 发表于 2020-7-24 09:30
你先把哲学定义找来

哲学告诉我们人生究竟是怎么一回事
作者: 辕义    时间: 2020-7-24 09:45
辕仁 发表于 2020-7-24 09:42
哲学是关于世界观的学说,是自然知识和社会知识的概括和总结

就是这样的
作者: 半梦半醒    时间: 2020-7-24 09:57
辕义 发表于 2020-7-24 09:44
哲学告诉我们人生究竟是怎么一回事

  文科生。西方哲学告诉世人世界是无限可分的,就有了数学人生的说法,无限趋近,极限状态。
作者: 辕义    时间: 2020-7-24 10:08
半梦半醒 发表于 2020-7-24 09:57
文科生。西方哲学告诉世人世界是无限可分的,就有了数学人生的说法,无限趋近,极限状态。

这个,一会仁哥来回复,仁哥就是翻唱版主古越涛,东西荟萃的浪子。妈妈是意大利人,爸爸是中国人。
作者: 半梦半醒    时间: 2020-7-24 10:13
辕义 发表于 2020-7-24 10:08
这个,一会仁哥来回复,仁哥就是翻唱版主古越涛,东西荟萃的浪子。妈妈是意大利人,爸爸是中国人。 ...

    我去听听。
作者: 辕义    时间: 2020-7-24 10:16
半梦半醒 发表于 2020-7-24 10:13
我去听听。

这贴的歌就是他的原创歌曲
作者: 辕仁    时间: 2020-7-24 10:20
半梦半醒 发表于 2020-7-24 09:57
文科生。西方哲学告诉世人世界是无限可分的,就有了数学人生的说法,无限趋近,极限状态。

阿基米德曾经说过:  给他一个支点,他就能撬起地球。请问他,他站哪里?
作者: 半梦半醒    时间: 2020-7-24 10:23
辕仁 发表于 2020-7-24 10:20
阿基米德曾经说过:  给他一个支点,他就能撬起地球。请问他,他站哪里?

  比萨斜塔。
作者: 辕仁    时间: 2020-7-24 10:26
半梦半醒 发表于 2020-7-24 10:23
比萨斜塔。

对。哲学就是一个由多种事实交织成的综合性学科。
作者: 半梦半醒    时间: 2020-7-24 10:29
辕仁 发表于 2020-7-24 10:26
对。哲学就是一个由多种事实交织成的综合性学科。

   威尼斯水城。
作者: 辕仁    时间: 2020-7-24 10:36
半梦半醒 发表于 2020-7-24 10:29
威尼斯水城。

我的家乡,欢迎来玩。在欧洲,威尼斯物价算低的。
作者: 半梦半醒    时间: 2020-7-24 10:42
先尽地主之仪。

作者: 辕义    时间: 2020-7-24 10:45
半梦半醒 发表于 2020-7-24 10:42
先尽地主之仪。

三人行,必有我师焉
作者: 半梦半醒    时间: 2020-7-24 10:51
本帖最后由 半梦半醒 于 2020-7-24 10:53 编辑
辕义 发表于 2020-7-24 10:45
三人行,必有我师焉

     和你仁哥,不谈哲学,谈谈老电影,天堂电影院,西西里美丽的传说,谈谈教父,意大利纪录片中国1972。
作者: 辕仁    时间: 2020-7-24 11:02
半梦半醒 发表于 2020-7-24 10:42
先尽地主之仪。

中国人向来慷慨大方,是有名的,我深有体会!
作者: 半梦半醒    时间: 2020-7-24 11:04
辕仁 发表于 2020-7-24 11:02
中国人向来慷慨大方,是有名的,我深有体会!

       你家父母在家谁说话嗓门大?   
作者: 辕仁    时间: 2020-7-24 11:07
半梦半醒 发表于 2020-7-24 10:51
和你仁哥,不谈哲学,谈谈老电影,天堂电影院,西西里美丽的传说,谈谈教父,意大利纪录片中国1972 ...

意大利治安不错 ,并且从来没有黑手党 。但当地人都明白黑手党是怎么回事,当时有个特别重大的新闻 ,就是黑手党在法官汽车里安放炸弹 ,连炸死两个法官 ,南部城市 。庆幸自己是在北部生活。
作者: 辕仁    时间: 2020-7-24 11:09
半梦半醒 发表于 2020-7-24 11:04
你家父母在家谁说话嗓门大?

我额娘
作者: 半梦半醒    时间: 2020-7-24 11:12
辕仁 发表于 2020-7-24 11:07
意大利治安不错 ,并且从来没有黑手党 。但当地人都明白黑手党是怎么回事,当时有个特别重大的新闻 ,就 ...

      某年某月我随团去欧洲考察,巴士司机是意大利人,有过简短的接触,感觉很好。
作者: 辕义    时间: 2020-7-24 11:14
辕仁 发表于 2020-7-24 11:09
我额娘

我家里也是我妈妈嗓门大,我妈妈说说明她身体好!
作者: 辕仁    时间: 2020-7-24 11:17
半梦半醒 发表于 2020-7-24 11:12
某年某月我随团去欧洲考察,巴士司机是意大利人,有过简短的接触,感觉很好。

在意大利人心目中,自由是最重要的。意大利人的守时和集体观念相对就差一点,所以要有耐心对他们。
作者: 辕仁    时间: 2020-7-24 11:19
辕义 发表于 2020-7-24 11:14
我家里也是我妈妈嗓门大,我妈妈说说明她身体好!

女人撑起半边天
作者: 半梦半醒    时间: 2020-7-24 11:19
辕仁 发表于 2020-7-24 11:09
我额娘

   你爸很大度,大方。  你爸是南方人还是北方人?
作者: 辕仁    时间: 2020-7-24 11:20
半梦半醒 发表于 2020-7-24 11:19
你爸很大度,大方。  你爸是南方人还是北方人?

北方人,四海为家,生意人。
作者: 半梦半醒    时间: 2020-7-24 11:22
辕仁 发表于 2020-7-24 11:20
北方人,四海为家,生意人。

  你父亲的祖籍是哪里的?
作者: 辕义    时间: 2020-7-24 11:23
半梦半醒 发表于 2020-7-24 11:19
你爸很大度,大方。  你爸是南方人还是北方人?

我仁哥哥含着金钥匙长大。连读书都是一对一教育
作者: 辕仁    时间: 2020-7-24 11:25
半梦半醒 发表于 2020-7-24 11:22
你父亲的祖籍是哪里的?

查户口,问那么清楚。盛京
作者: 半梦半醒    时间: 2020-7-24 11:29
辕仁 发表于 2020-7-24 11:25
查户口,问那么清楚。盛京

    满族的后裔吧?难怪。
作者: 辕义    时间: 2020-7-24 11:32
半梦半醒 发表于 2020-7-24 11:29
满族的后裔吧?难怪。

仁哥哥对他的父亲微信称呼,土味皇阿玛。
作者: 半梦半醒    时间: 2020-7-24 11:36
辕义 发表于 2020-7-24 11:32
仁哥哥对他的父亲微信称呼,土味皇阿玛。

     有点现代公子哥味道。
作者: 辕义    时间: 2020-7-24 11:39
半梦半醒 发表于 2020-7-24 11:36
有点现代公子哥味道。

仁哥哥说爱就要满足一切需求,给他最好的教育,但是不能宠他。
作者: 半梦半醒    时间: 2020-7-24 11:43
辕仁 发表于 2020-7-24 11:17
在意大利人心目中,自由是最重要的。意大利人的守时和集体观念相对就差一点,所以要有耐心对他们。

      因为签约的当地旅行社和中方导游都是长期合作,司机还很守时和交通法规,休息的时候有攀谈,随性很明显。
作者: 半梦半醒    时间: 2020-7-24 11:46
辕义 发表于 2020-7-24 11:39
仁哥哥说爱就要满足一切需求,给他最好的教育,但是不能宠他。

     悟性很高,是他父亲的功劳还是他母亲功劳,你要考察一下。
作者: 辕义    时间: 2020-7-24 11:47
半梦半醒 发表于 2020-7-24 11:43
因为签约的当地旅行社和中方导游都是长期合作,司机还很守时和交通法规,休息的时候有攀谈,随性很 ...

仁哥哥就是随性的人,他教育我,跟着自己的内心走下去, 没必要去迎合敷衍别人, 怎么舒心怎么活。他看到我很在乎别人的眼光。


作者: 辕义    时间: 2020-7-24 11:51
半梦半醒 发表于 2020-7-24 11:46
悟性很高,是他父亲的功劳还是他母亲功劳,你要考察一下。

都有吧,他母亲在北大读书认识的他父亲,他母亲放弃了硕士嫁人了!
作者: 半梦半醒    时间: 2020-7-24 11:51
辕义 发表于 2020-7-24 11:47
仁哥哥就是随性的人,他教育我,跟着自己的内心走下去, 没必要去迎合敷衍别人, 怎么舒心怎么活。他看到 ...

   清水出芙蓉,天然去雕饰。 让他读这首诗。
作者: 辕义    时间: 2020-7-24 11:59
半梦半醒 发表于 2020-7-24 11:51
清水出芙蓉,天然去雕饰。 让他读这首诗。

就是啊!我在抖音引以为傲的就是我绝对素颜
作者: 半梦半醒    时间: 2020-7-24 11:59
辕义 发表于 2020-7-24 11:51
都有吧,他母亲在北大读书认识的他父亲,他母亲放弃了硕士嫁人了!

     鬼斧神工,人造精品。
作者: 辕义    时间: 2020-7-24 12:02
半梦半醒 发表于 2020-7-24 11:59
鬼斧神工,人造精品。

他还算低调的,我要他在抖音多活跃,他问我,要怎么活跃!
作者: 半梦半醒    时间: 2020-7-24 12:05
辕义 发表于 2020-7-24 12:02
他还算低调的,我要他在抖音多活跃,他问我,要怎么活跃!

      活跃的模板有的是,独特才是最重要。
作者: 辕义    时间: 2020-7-24 12:09
半梦半醒 发表于 2020-7-24 12:05
活跃的模板有的是,独特才是最重要。

记得婴宁版主说我,不是所有人都要捧我们的场。
作者: 半梦半醒    时间: 2020-7-24 12:10
辕义 发表于 2020-7-24 11:59
就是啊!我在抖音引以为傲的就是我绝对素颜

忘了夸你了,你教我几个词。
作者: 半梦半醒    时间: 2020-7-24 12:12
辕义 发表于 2020-7-24 12:09
记得婴宁版主说我,不是所有人都要捧我们的场。

  她有领导范。赞。
作者: 山色空蒙    时间: 2020-7-24 12:19
本帖最后由 山色空蒙 于 2020-7-24 12:22 编辑

哲学

哲学是什么?

通俗解释一下


                               
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哲学初学者,时间线上是科普干货

哲学播客Philosophy Bites曾就这个问题采访过很多哲学家,来看看他们是怎么说的吧(中文小标题是我加的):

Marilyn Adams:哲学就是努力思考最重要的问题,并尝试澄清问题和答案。

Philosophy is thinking really hard about the most important questions and trying to bring analytic clarity both to the questions and the answers.

Robert Adams:哲学就是哲学家所做之事。

Philosophy is what philosophers do. That’s important because I don’t want to be narrow as to what constitutes philosophy. There are certain ways of doing philosophy that are sufficiently different from the way that I and a majority of English-speaking philosophers do it, that I might hesitate to say they and we are practising the same discipline. But I think it would be unduly imperialistic to say what they’re doing is not philosophy.

Peter Adamson:哲学是对采取特定立场之得失的研究。

Wow. I guess I think philosophy is the study of the costs and benefits that accrue when you take up a certain position. For example, if you’re arguing about free will and you’re trying to decide whether to be a compatibilist or incompatibilist—is free will compatible with causal determinism?—what you’re discovering is what problems and what benefits you get from saying that it is compatible, and what problems and benefits you get from saying it’s incompatible.

John Armstrong:哲学是成功的爱思考。

Philosophy is the successful love of thinking.

Catalin Avramescu:不知道。

You’ve hit me with this question. It’s a little bit like what Augustine famously said about the concept of time. When nobody asks me about it, I know. But whenever somebody asks me about what the concept of time is, I realize I don’t know.

Simon Blackburn:哲学是对最深刻概念的反思过程。

Well, it’s a process of reflection on the deepest concepts, that is structures of thought, that make up the way in which we think about the world. So it’s concepts like reason, causation, matter, space, time, mind, consciousness, free will, all those big abstract words and they make up topics, and people have been thinking about them for two and a half thousand years and I expect they’ll think about them for another two and half thousand years if there are any of us left.

Richard Bradley:哲学99%是关于任何你关切之事的批判性反思。

Philosophy is 99 per cent about critical reflection on anything you care to be interested in.

Wendy Brown:哲学追问人生的意义。哲学追问我们是谁,我们可能是什么,我们如何设想自己,以及我们如何甚至能够思考这些问题。

Philosophy asks about life’s meanings. Philosophy asks about who we are, what we might be, how we conceive ourselves, and how we can even think these questions.

Allen Buchanan:哲学涉及对多数人想当然之事的批判反思。

I don’t think it’s any one thing, but I think generally it involves being critical and reflective about things that most people take for granted.

John Campbell:一言难尽。最让我感兴趣的是,关于世界的常识图景,科学在告诉我们什么。

I don’t think there is a general answer to that question. The thing that interests me most is what science is telling us about our common-sense picture of the world. What I’m uneasy about is a doublethink where on the one hand we just operate uncritically with our common-sense picture of the world, and then we shift into scientific mode. I think science really destabilizes our common-sense picture of the world. Understanding just where common sense has to give in the face of the science, where common sense is consistent with science, and where we have some real work to do to understand how they can both be correct—that is really what drives me.

Clare Carlisle:哲学就是理解我们所在的境况。

Most simply put it’s about making sense of all this . . . We find ourselves in a world that we haven’t chosen. There are all sorts of possible ways of interpreting it and finding meaning in the world and in the lives that we live. So philosophy is about making sense of that situation that we find ourselves in.

Tony Coady:哲学涉及概念分析,但也应该去做更多综合性的大尺度的事情。

Oh, well I’m an analytic philosopher, so I’m committed to the view that philosophy involves a lot of analytic work: a lot of analysis of concepts. But I think some people think philosophy only involves analysing concepts and getting clear about things. They also think you should have arguments for everything—it’s a very argumentative profession. These are all features of philosophy. But philosophy should also be aiming to do rather more synthetic large-scale sorts of things. Philosophy should be concerned with issues to do with the meaning of life, ethical and political issues, and should be scrutinizing the basic assumptions of our society. Philosophy has always been something of a science of presuppositions; but it shouldn’t just expose them and say ‘there they are’. It should say something further about them that can help people. As I get older and older I’m more and more concerned that there should be more imagination in philosophy than there is. At one stage it was all very clever, but rather dry. Although I would never want to get quite as imaginative as the various post-structuralist philosophers who put such a premium on imagination that the analysis and argument drop out, I still think that there’s something in offering a big picture about our circumstances, and I think that that’s something that should be encouraged in philosophy.

Tim Crane:哲学尝试理解最普遍意义上的事物如何在最普遍意义上联系起来。

To quote Wilfrid Sellars, philosophy is the attempt to understand how things in the most general sense of that word hang together in the most general sense of those words.

Roger Crisp:你只有做一做哲学才能理解它的本质。

I think it’s something you have to do to understand its essence.

Don Cupitt:哲学是批判性的思考。

Philosophy is critical thinking: trying to become aware of how one’s own thinking works, of all the things one takes for granted, of the way in which one’s own thinking shapes the things one’s thinking about.

Donna Dickenson:哲学拒绝不经检验地接受任何成见。

Philosophy is what I was told as an undergraduate women couldn’t do—by an eminent philosopher who had best remain nameless. But for me it’s the gadfly image, the Socratic gadfly: refusing to accept any platitudes or accepted wisdom without examining it.

John Dunn:哲学曾研究真理和安身立命之道,不过与之渐行渐远。

I think it used to be an enquiry into what’s true and how people should live; it’s distantly related to that still, but I’d say the distance is growing rather than narrowing.

Luciano Floridi:哲学是概念工程。

Philosophy is conceptual engineering. That means dealing with questions that are open to informed reasonable disagreement by providing new concepts that can be superseded in the future if more economic solutions can be found—but it’s a matter of rational agreement.

Sebastian Gardner:哲学是统一理论理性和实践理性的尝试。

Philosophy is the attempt to unify theoretical and practical reason.

Raymond Geuss:哲学是尝试成为没有系统的系统性灵魂的一种方式。

I’m afraid I have a very unhelpful answer to that, because it’s only a negative answer. It’s the answer that Friedrich Schlegel gave in his Athenaeum Fragments: philosophy is a way of trying to be a systematic spirit without having a system.

A. C. Grayling:哲学是对我们尚未充分恰当理解的事物的研究。

Philosophy is enquiry into all those things which we don’t yet properly and fully understand. When we do get some grip on a problem or a set of problems we can hive that off into a special science or a social science – although those natural and social sciences tend to end up back as philosophical problems too—being those problems half obscure, half unformed, where the questions are themselves doubtful, where we’re peering out into the dark and don’t yet have a good sense of what we’re doing. And that’s what philosophy is, it’s enquiry into the mainly unknown.

Thomas Hurka:哲学是逻辑原则指导下的力求精确的抽象思考。

Philosophy is abstract thought guided by principles of logic and ideals of precision in thought and argumentation about the most general issues concerning human beings and the world and our place in the world.

Terence Irwin:哲学是从明显事物出发得出惊人结论的论证。

Some people have said, and I agree with them, that it’s the argument from things that seem perfectly obvious to a conclusion that’s extremely surprising. Other people have said that it’s a way of trying to get clear about the basic presuppositions of claims we tend to take for granted. Both of these are reasonably good ideas about what philosophy tries to do.

Chris Janaway:哲学是追问永恒问题的尝试。

Um . . . ah . . . that’s a very good question. I’m reacting in the sort of way that you would expect philosophers to react; they very often don’t give an answer, and people find that suspicious. I suppose philosophy is the attempt to ask questions which seem not to go away—questions which are always going to be there.

Anthony Kenny:哲学是关于基本概念的尽可能清晰的思考。

Philosophy is thinking as clearly as possible about the most fundamental concepts that reach through all the disciplines.

Chandran Kukathas:哲学是对给定话题之预设的系统性思考的尝试。

My understanding of philosophy probably owes more to Michael Oakeshott than anybody else. Philosophy is an attempt to think systematically about the presuppositions of a given topic; to try to understand that topic in terms of concepts that give you a complete account of something. So, for example, to the extent that philosophy discusses ethics, it tries to give you an account of what is the nature of morality. Or to the extent that philosophy discusses politics, it tries to give you an account of what politics is in terms of concepts that make sense of this phenomenon.





作者: 山色空蒙    时间: 2020-7-24 12:20

Will Kymlicka:哲学的学科划分有其偶然性。

Well I’m in a philosophy department but I’m always wondering what exactly I have in common with many of my colleagues, because, to be frank, I don’t necessarily understand the work they do in the philosophy of language or metaphysics. There’s a certain element of contingency about what remains in a philosophy department. Philosophy used to encompass economics and so on; and bits and pieces have separated themselves out and become self-standing disciplines, and what’s left is just what’s left, rather than anything coherent uniting it. I think of myself as a political philosopher; I’m interested in the normative evaluation of political life and state institutions. And that’s fairly strongly connected to moral philosophy. Moral philosophy, as Robert Nozick said, sets the boundaries of political philosophy.

Brian Leiter:哲学关涉所有人类行为的基本问题。

This is a hard question. I can tell you what academic philosophy is, and it bears some relation to what philosophy has been historically. That is, philosophy is concerned with foundational or fundamental questions about the nature of everything else that human beings do: how we live, how we ought to live, what art is, what we know, whether we know anything, what science is, and so on. In that sense philosophy really is the most capacious of all the disciplines even if it isn’t, as Kant thought, the queen of the sciences. But since we’ve just been talking about Nietzsche, we can’t forget that there is a very different conception of what philosophers are. A philosopher for Nietzsche was an honorific. It refers to the person who creates or legislates value. It’s the person who, to borrow an image from one of my colleagues at the University of Chicago, Judge Richard Posner, is a moral entrepreneur. It’s a nice image. It’s somebody who creates new ways of evaluating things—what’s important, what’s worthwhile—that changes how an entire culture or an entire people understand those things.

Jerrold Levinson:日常思考也是哲学。

Oh, I didn’t know you were going to ask me the really hard questions. I can tell a joke that says what philosophy is. A young man is going on a date and he asks his father for advice. ‘Dad, I’m really nervous, what will I talk about in the dead spots?’ The father says, ‘Look son, there are the three Fs: there’s Food, Family, and Filosophy.’ So the son says, ‘Okay, I’ll remember that.’ So he goes on a date and he’s with the date in the car after dinner; and there’s one of these lulls, and so he thinks what am I going to say, my teeth are clattering. Ah, I’ll remember my father’s advice. ‘So Mary, do you like asparagus?’ ‘Well, no John I don’t like asparagus.’ ‘Well, Mary, do you have any brothers?’ ‘Well actually John, I don’t have any brothers.’ ‘Well, Mary, if you had a brother would he like asparagus?’ That’s philosophy.

M. M. McCabe:哲学是关于思考的思考。

Thinking about thinking.

Jeff McMahan:我可以笑吗?我不知道哲学是什么。

Can I just laugh? I have no idea what philosophy is.

Ray Monk:哲学是理解我们自身和这个世界的尝试。

Philosophy is the attempt to understand ourselves and the world.

A. W. Moore:“什么是哲学?”本身就是哲学问题。

I’m hard pressed to say, but one thing that is certainly true is that ‘What is Philosophy?’ is itself a striking philosophical question.

Alexander Nehamas:我当哲学家是因为我想要能够谈论很多很多事情。

I can’t answer that directly. I will tell you why I became a philosopher. I became a philosopher because I wanted to be able to talk about many, many things, ideally with knowledge, but sometimes not quite the amount of knowledge that I would need if I were to be a specialist in them. It allows you to be many different things. And plurality and complexity are very, very important to me.

Alex Neill:哲学是痴迷于清晰性的思考。

Philosophy is thinking that is obsessed with clarity.

David Papineau:哲学是对最困难问题的努力思考。

Philosophy is thinking hard about the most difficult problems that there are. And you might think scientists do that too, but there’s a certain kind of question whose difficulty can’t be resolved by getting more empirical evidence. It requires an untangling of presuppositions: figuring out that our thinking is being driven by ideas we didn’t even realize that we had. And that’s what philosophy is.

Anne Phillips:哲学是一种思考两难困境和矛盾的方式。

Now I’m going to laugh. Philosophy for me is a way of thinking about dilemmas and contradictions. I don’t think of it in terms of having to be abstracted from the real world, or having to be about hypothetical problems, but wherever you’re dealing with something where there’s a real dilemma and there are very good reasons to go one way, and very good reasons to go another, at that point I think you need philosophy.

Thomas Pogge:哲学是爱智慧。

I think that philosophy in the classical sense is the love of wisdom. So the question then is ‘What is wisdom?’ And I think wisdom is understanding what really matters in the world. And that’s how I would answer people who say what I’m doing is not really philosophy. In my view what really matters is the enormous injustice that’s being perpetrated on the poor in this world. We have just heard from the food and agricultural organization of the United Nations that for the first time in human history there are more than a billion people who are chronically malnourished. The poorest half of humankind has 3 per cent of global household income: the richest half 97 per cent. If the poorest half had 4 per cent of global household income they wouldn’t have this severe poverty. And what the philosopher can do is just to say, ‘this is something that matters’.

Janet Radcliffe Richards:哲学是一种研究模式。

I regard philosophy as a mode of enquiry rather than a particular set of subjects. I regard it as involving the kind of questions where you’re not trying to find out how your ideas latch on to the world, whether your ideas are true or not, in the way that science is doing, but more about how your ideas hang together. This means that philosophical questions will arise in a lot of subjects. And if you haven’t got philosophical training you may well misunderstand the nature of a lot of those questions. So that’s how I prefer to think of philosophy—as a method, a kind of enquiry rather than a particular set of questions. Although of course there are some questions that can only be answered by that sort of enquiry.

Aaron Ridley:(笑)。

(Laughs).

Ben Rogers:(笑)。我得回去干活去了。

(Laughs). I must get back to the day job.

Michael Sandel:哲学是对事物存在方式的批判性反思。

Philosophy is reflecting critically on the way things are. That includes reflecting critically on social and political and economic arrangements. It always intimates the possibility that things could be other than they are. And better.

Julian Savulescu:哲学就是通过使用理性和概念工具、先天理由和对自身与世界状态的反思来获取知识。

Philosophy is in my view gaining knowledge through the use of reason and conceptual tools, a priori reason, and by reflecting about oneself and the state of the world. It employs the empirical sciences, but it’s not a version of science. It’s gaining knowledge through rational reflection. And in my own area philosophy is about understanding what people should do, what sort of person people should be, how people should act, by rationally reflecting on the courses of action or the nature of human beings. I also think philosophy should encourage people to gain knowledge, and reflect and to try to seek to understand the world and themselves through their capacity as rational animals.

Walter Sinnott-Armstrong:哲学是对融贯合理的整全世界观的寻求。

Philosophy is the search for a coherent and justified overall world-view. Philosophers should stop looking at little issues in the corner of our lives and try to see how things fit together; how psychology fits with philosophy, how the mind fits with the body, how aesthetic value relates to economic value and justice. Those are the big issues: how do we fit together the different aspects of our lives? And that’s what philosophy ought to be addressing.

Barry Smith:哲学是对现实之本性以及我们在其中的位置的基本、清晰、得当的思考。

I think it’s thinking fundamentally clearly and well about the nature of reality and our place in it, so as to understand better what goes on around us, and what our contribution is to that reality, and its effect on us.

Robert Rowland Smith:哲学是一种爱知识的方式。

I think the Greek term has it exactly right; it’s a way of loving knowledge.

Paul Snowdon:哲学是一组问题的名字,这些问题让我们深感有趣,而且不能通过任何专门的方式被回答。

Philosophy is the name we give to a collection of questions which are of deep interest to us and for which there isn’t any specialist way of answering. The categories in terms of which they are posed are ones which prevent experiments being carried out to answer them, so we’re thrown back on trying to answer them on the basis of evidence we can accumulate. For example, ‘Does God exist?’ You can’t hand that question over to some chap in a white coat to do an experiment. The category ‘God’ isn’t a category suitable for conducting experiments to determine whether there’s something of that sort or not. How do we decide? Well we simply have to weigh up the arguments for and against the existence of this kind of entity. And that is the general character of philosophical questions. Do values exist? Does the soul exist? Do sense data exist? And so on. ‘Philosophy’ is the name for that group of deep and important questions where there is no simple experimental way of answering them, and yet we want to know the answers.

Kate Soper:哲学关涉文化和历史,也关涉超越它们的真理。

I think that one of the important things that philosophy is trying to do is to respect both the cultural relativity and historicity of our ideas while at the same time tease out what might be more trans-historical, trans-cultural truths.

Raymond Tallis:哲学就是试图明白较宽泛意义上的事物如何在较宽泛的意义上联系起来。

One of my favourite definitions comes from Wilfrid Sellars. It is trying to see how things in the wider sense hang together in the wider sense. And my dream of philosophy is to make the universe we live in mind-portable, so instead of being possessed by it, you possess it.

Tzvetan Todorov:哲学是一种寻求智慧、过更智慧生活的方式。

Philosophy is a subject that all French students have to take in the last class of high school. And they just hate it, because they can’t understand what philosophy is about. To answer more seriously, philosophy was a way of searching for wisdom, of leading a wiser life. And I adhere to this conception of philosophy.

Keith Ward:哲学就是对智慧的追求。

I have a traditional, almost Indian approach to this: I think philosophy is the pursuit of wisdom, and that includes spiritual wisdom. So this means asking questions about the nature of the human self and the nature of reality, and how this will affect your life in practice. And in that sense, although I have experienced Oxford philosophy at its most intense, I’m definitely not an ordinary language philosopher.

Jonathan Wolff:两个常识概念往不同方向拉扯,哲学问题就出现了,哲学也就开始了。

Well, I can tell you how philosophical problems arise in my view, which is where two common-sense notions push in different directions, and then philosophy gets started. And I suppose I also think that anything that claims to be philosophy which can’t be related back to a problem that arises in that way probably is empty.


作者: 辕义    时间: 2020-7-24 12:22
半梦半醒 发表于 2020-7-24 12:10
忘了夸你了,你教我几个词。

就夸我百毒不侵
作者: 辕义    时间: 2020-7-24 12:23
半梦半醒 发表于 2020-7-24 12:12
她有领导范。赞。

觉得她有时太主观
作者: 辕义    时间: 2020-7-24 12:24
山色空蒙 发表于 2020-7-24 12:20
Will Kymlicka:哲学的学科划分有其偶然性。Well I’m in a philosophy department but I’m always wonder ...

空姥,这个太专业了!
作者: 半梦半醒    时间: 2020-7-24 12:26
辕义 发表于 2020-7-24 12:22
就夸我百毒不侵

解药是什么?
作者: 半梦半醒    时间: 2020-7-24 12:29
辕义 发表于 2020-7-24 12:24
空姥,这个太专业了!

空姥是学者范。@山色空蒙
作者: 山色空蒙    时间: 2020-7-24 12:29
本帖最后由 山色空蒙 于 2020-7-24 12:33 编辑

Michael Sandel:哲学是对事物存在方式的批判性反思。

Philosophy is reflecting critically on the way things are. That includes reflecting critically on social and political and economic arrangements. It always intimates the possibility that things could be other than they are. And better.

Julian Savulescu:哲学就是通过使用理性和概念工具、先天理由和对自身与世界状态的反思来获取知识。

Philosophy is in my view gaining knowledge through the use of reason and conceptual tools, a priori reason, and by reflecting about oneself and the state of the world. It employs the empirical sciences, but it’s not a version of science. It’s gaining knowledge through rational reflection. And in my own area philosophy is about understanding what people should do, what sort of person people should be, how people should act, by rationally reflecting on the courses of action or the nature of human beings. I also think philosophy should encourage people to gain knowledge, and reflect and to try to seek to understand the world and themselves through their capacity as rational animals.

Walter Sinnott-Armstrong:哲学是对融贯合理的整全世界观的寻求。

Philosophy is the search for a coherent and justified overall world-view. Philosophers should stop looking at little issues in the corner of our lives and try to see how things fit together; how psychology fits with philosophy, how the mind fits with the body, how aesthetic value relates to economic value and justice. Those are the big issues: how do we fit together the different aspects of our lives? And that’s what philosophy ought to be addressing.

Barry Smith:哲学是对现实之本性以及我们在其中的位置的基本、清晰、得当的思考。

I think it’s thinking fundamentally clearly and well about the nature of reality and our place in it, so as to understand better what goes on around us, and what our contribution is to that reality, and its effect on us.

Robert Rowland Smith:哲学是一种爱知识的方式。

I think the Greek term has it exactly right; it’s a way of loving knowledge.

Paul Snowdon:哲学是一组问题的名字,这些问题让我们深感有趣,而且不能通过任何专门的方式被回答。

Philosophy is the name we give to a collection of questions which are of deep interest to us and for which there isn’t any specialist way of answering. The categories in terms of which they are posed are ones which prevent experiments being carried out to answer them, so we’re thrown back on trying to answer them on the basis of evidence we can accumulate. For example, ‘Does God exist?’ You can’t hand that question over to some chap in a white coat to do an experiment. The category ‘God’ isn’t a category suitable for conducting experiments to determine whether there’s something of that sort or not. How do we decide? Well we simply have to weigh up the arguments for and against the existence of this kind of entity. And that is the general character of philosophical questions. Do values exist? Does the soul exist? Do sense data exist? And so on. ‘Philosophy’ is the name for that group of deep and important questions where there is no simple experimental way of answering them, and yet we want to know the answers.

Kate Soper:哲学关涉文化和历史,也关涉超越它们的真理。

I think that one of the important things that philosophy is trying to do is to respect both the cultural relativity and historicity of our ideas while at the same time tease out what might be more trans-historical, trans-cultural truths.

Raymond Tallis:哲学就是试图明白较宽泛意义上的事物如何在较宽泛的意义上联系起来。

One of my favourite definitions comes from Wilfrid Sellars. It is trying to see how things in the wider sense hang together in the wider sense. And my dream of philosophy is to make the universe we live in mind-portable, so instead of being possessed by it, you possess it.

Tzvetan Todorov:哲学是一种寻求智慧、过更智慧生活的方式。

Philosophy is a subject that all French students have to take in the last class of high school. And they just hate it, because they can’t understand what philosophy is about. To answer more seriously, philosophy was a way of searching for wisdom, of leading a wiser life. And I adhere to this conception of philosophy.

Keith Ward:哲学就是对智慧的追求。

I have a traditional, almost Indian approach to this: I think philosophy is the pursuit of wisdom, and that includes spiritual wisdom. So this means asking questions about the nature of the human self and the nature of reality, and how this will affect your life in practice. And in that sense, although I have experienced Oxford philosophy at its most intense, I’m definitely not an ordinary language philosopher.

Jonathan Wolff:两个常识概念往不同方向拉扯,哲学问题就出现了,哲学也就开始了。

Well, I can tell you how philosophical problems arise in my view, which is where two common-sense notions push in different directions, and then philosophy gets started. And I suppose I also think that anything that claims to be philosophy which can’t be related back to a problem that arises in that way probably is empty.




作者: 半梦半醒    时间: 2020-7-24 12:31
山色空蒙 发表于 2020-7-24 12:29
Michael Sandel:哲学是对事物存在方式的批判性反思。

  谢谢空姥。
作者: 辕义    时间: 2020-7-24 12:31
半梦半醒 发表于 2020-7-24 12:26
解药是什么?

山穷水尽疑无路,柳暗花明又一村。懂吗?
作者: 半梦半醒    时间: 2020-7-24 12:33
辕义 发表于 2020-7-24 12:31
山穷水尽疑无路,柳暗花明又一村。懂吗?

  换话题?  把你仁哥请来, 不谈电影了,谈谈舞蹈。
作者: 辕义    时间: 2020-7-24 12:34
半梦半醒 发表于 2020-7-24 12:29
空姥是学者范。@山色空蒙

哲学确实是一种爱知识的方式。@山色空蒙
作者: 辕义    时间: 2020-7-24 12:37
半梦半醒 发表于 2020-7-24 12:33
换话题?  把你仁哥请来, 不谈电影了,谈谈舞蹈。

怎么谈?
作者: 山色空蒙    时间: 2020-7-24 12:42
哲学是什么?什么是哲学?
1、基本释义
哲学,社会意识形态之一,是关于世界观的学说。是理论化、系统化的世界观,是自然知识、社会知识、思维知识的概括和总结,是世界观和方法论的统一。是社会意识的具体存在和表现形式,是以追求世界的本源、本质、共性或绝对、终极的形而上者为形式,以认识、改造世界的方法论为研究内容的科学。 同时,在著名的科技融合体模型中,哲学处于该模型的顶端,汇聚并指导了具体科学,与科学有着密不可分的关系。
2、起源
源自于希腊语φιλοσοφία(philosophia),意即“热爱智慧”。希腊文Philosophia是由philo和sophia两部分构成,philein指爱和追求,sophia指智慧。
“哲”一词在中国起源很早,历史久远。如“孔门十哲”,“古圣先哲”等词,“哲”或“哲人”,专指那些善于思辨,学问精深者,即西方近似“哲学家”、“思想家”之谓。 一般认为中国哲学起源东周时期,以孔子的儒家、老子的道家、墨子的墨家及晚期的法家为代表,而实际上在之前的《易经》当中,已经开始讨论哲学问题。
3、哲学的基本问题
哲学的基本问题、哲学的最高问题,是指思维和存在、意识和物质的关系问题。恩格斯在1886年写的《路德维希·费尔巴哈和德国古典哲学的终结》一书中第一次对此作出了明确表述。它的提出,为区分唯物主义和唯心主义两种对立的哲学体系、哲学派别以及对它们的客观评价提供了正确的标准。

作者: 山色空蒙    时间: 2020-7-24 12:46
本帖最后由 山色空蒙 于 2020-7-24 12:49 编辑

什么是哲学,哲学的特点是什么

点:

第一,哲学具有最高的概括性和普遍性
第二,哲学是通过一定的概念范畴系统把握对象的,这是由哲学是一种反思所决定的。
第三,哲学是远离物质基础的意识形态。

功能:
第一,哲学最主要和最突出的功能就是提供世界观方法论的指导。
第二,哲学的功能还表现在它是一种强大的精神武器



作者: 山色空蒙    时间: 2020-7-24 12:50
西方哲学和中国哲学各有什么突出的特点
中国传统哲学流派,老子的道家,专攻矛盾论,客观唯心
孔子的儒家不算,是厚黑学,教育学.
庄子的是类似于唯物主义的学说.
中国的哲学以老子的矛盾论为基础,但发展不彻底,后来就成了命理学说和中医丹药系别的杂合体了,还有的就是阴阳家,开始和五行学说一样是简单及物的朴素唯物主义,后来学说和矛盾论思想相互结合.国人所说的哲学多数都是孔子荀子的传统道德规范.是因为绝大多数人不懂哲学的基本含义.还有宋明时期以朱熹为首做的理学,是客观唯心,这个思想也为当时的朝廷所用,因此在学者中统治一时.而以陆九渊王守仁为首的心学,则是主观唯心,是醒悟过来的学者对理学的发问.因为第一性问题无法解答,很多人都投向了心学.以及佛教通过其六祖慧能的改编产生的大乘小乘佛教,因果学说也是中国哲学的大头,现在已经可以和西方哲学的因果率学说相互印证.
现代中国就是马克思的辩证唯物主义为领导了.
而西方哲学,先是以欧洲哲学始祖泰勒斯的水本世界论和赫拉克利特的世界为火论为启蒙,但追根揭底是亚里士多德的逻辑学作为了后来哲学的主体.其中,西方哲学最大贡献的就是黑格尔的辨证论和康德的时空观,后来经过牛顿经典力学和爱因斯坦的相对论的参与,完成了以自然科学基本科学为基础的唯物主义西方哲学.还有的哲学就是天主教等教派了.
总的来说,中国的哲学是以人文科学为基础发展出来的哲学,西方哲学是以自然科学为基础发展出来的哲学.现代中国的哲学,高端为辩证唯物主义,但绝大多数处于哲学的未成形状态.所以在资本主义市场经济全球化的过程中,中国成为了没有信仰的国度.

作者: 山色空蒙    时间: 2020-7-24 12:53
中国哲学思维特点和西方哲学有什么不同
中国哲学关注的是现实世界里的理想人
而西方哲学更多的关注是理想世界里的现实人
西方哲学是有意识的思考,
中国的“哲学”是无意识的思想片段
中国哲学重现世,学以致用;
西方哲学重超越,学以致知。
中国哲学重适应,
西方哲学重改造
中国哲学偏重社会科学,
西方哲学偏重自然科学
我在说最大的不同是说 中国哲学跟西方哲学两者的侧重点在那 堂吉先生说关注的事情是一样的这句话换种表达就好象是殊途同归 但个人还是不赞同 我说的区别中国在于现实世界里的理想人 这话具体的表达是中国哲学具体而言差不多是儒家 道家 佛家三分天下其中又以儒家为主导 儒家哲学最大的特点在于它承认现实世界里的一切结构 它不象西方一样去建立一个天堂与地狱 它强调的是在这个现实里 人能够成为一个怎样的人 怎样去做一个圣人 (人人都可成圣) 在这一点上 道家跟佛家是一样 (人人都可得道或成佛)但事实是它高估了我们的自觉
而西方是去构建一个虚无的世界 天堂与地狱 但是尽管它的起点是在虚无但立足点却是在现实 于是他们的人更多的是承认人的自私 人的缺点 所以不去追求一个完美的圣人 而只去追求一个在规章与制度下的好人 而不是简单的靠自觉 他们是靠制度中国哲学及理论主要是春秋战国轴心时代,其思想深度决不亚于西方哲学.
由于中国语言文字较为发达,描写较为细致,因此哲学多为抽象,玄妙.较早的领悟到人类思维的真谛.这点不同于西方哲学.西方哲学有自然科学的基础,考虑较为现实,倾向于实用.
但是秦朝后对人类思想的束缚和推崇儒家思想的单一,虽然使人安定,却如顺流而行,却以不进.如背弃了自然.它退出主流,应证了在宇宙膨胀中没有一层不变的道理,却有万变不离其中的法则.法则就是对事实的描述,对事实的适时而推.
现在中国在对外开放,知识爆炸的情况下,中国人的思想又会活跃起来,推悟出超新的哲学.



作者: 半梦半醒    时间: 2020-7-24 12:54
本帖最后由 半梦半醒 于 2020-7-24 12:56 编辑
辕义 发表于 2020-7-24 12:37
怎么谈?

   西方舞蹈艺术中的哲学理念?   让他先备课。
作者: 山色空蒙    时间: 2020-7-24 12:56
本帖最后由 山色空蒙 于 2020-7-24 12:59 编辑

“天人合一”的传统哲学思想反映了古代中国人()的思维特点。

A.分析性
B.整体性
C.离散性
D.包容性


【答案】B
【答案解析】整体思维注意从整体上把握事物的性质、事物之间的关系及其发展规律。部分是整体中的一部分,任何一个部分都反映整体。整体思维在中华文明中的集中体现就是“天人合一”,包容性是中国人整体思维的一个典型特点。故选B。


作者: 辕仁    时间: 2020-7-24 13:01
半梦半醒 发表于 2020-7-24 12:54
西方舞蹈艺术中的哲学理念?   让他先备课。

舞蹈反映了力的哲学
作者: 半梦半醒    时间: 2020-7-24 13:04
辕仁 发表于 2020-7-24 13:01
舞蹈反映了力的哲学

   哲学的近亲是物理,哲学血亲是数学。化学是什么?   你猜。
作者: 半梦半醒    时间: 2020-7-24 13:05

铃木大拙

铃木大拙(1870~1966),世界禅学权威,日本著名禅宗研究者与思想家。曾任东京帝国大学讲师、大谷大学教授、美国哥伦比亚大学客座教授等职。在镰仓圆觉寺从著名禅师今洪北川开始学禅,曾从事佛教典籍的英译和西方哲学、神学著作的日译,熟悉西方近代哲学、心理学等方面的成就。多次到美国和欧洲各国教学、演讲。晚年赴中国进行佛教实地考察。

一生著述宏富,除日文著作外,并用英文写作了大量有关禅宗的著作,在西方思想界引起了强烈反响。研究内容除禅宗思想外,还包括华严、净土等佛教思想。1970年在其百年诞辰时,日本编辑出版了共有32卷《铃木大拙全集》

由于他对禅学的宣扬,使得西方世界开始对东方本佛教产生兴趣,也刺激了东方人对佛教的再度关注。他对于禅学最大的贡献在于编辑与翻译禅宗著作,并在自己论禅的作品中把禅学与科学、神秘主义相联系,从而激起西方世界对禅学的普遍兴趣。。
作者: 辕仁    时间: 2020-7-24 13:09
山色空蒙 发表于 2020-7-24 12:56
“天人合一”的传统哲学思想反映了古代中国人()的思维特点。

A.分析性

整体化一,比如中国十大最美公路
作者: 辕仁    时间: 2020-7-24 13:10
半梦半醒 发表于 2020-7-24 13:04
哲学的近亲是物理,哲学血亲是数学。化学是什么?   你猜。

猜不到,你说
作者: 半梦半醒    时间: 2020-7-24 13:16
本帖最后由 半梦半醒 于 2020-7-24 13:18 编辑
辕仁 发表于 2020-7-24 13:10
猜不到,你说

基因突变,生物化学。禅,乱扯的,夫妻配偶。
作者: 辕仁    时间: 2020-7-24 13:19
半梦半醒 发表于 2020-7-24 13:05
铃木大拙

铃木大拙(1870~1966),世界禅学权威,日本著名禅宗研究者与思想家。曾任东京帝国大学讲师、 ...

回头是彼岸,没有十恶不赦的坏人,这就是铃木的观点。
作者: 辕仁    时间: 2020-7-24 13:24
半梦半醒 发表于 2020-7-24 13:16
基因突变,生物化学。禅,乱扯的,夫妻配偶。

这是一个偶然性和必然性的话题深入探讨
作者: 半梦半醒    时间: 2020-7-24 13:31
辕仁 发表于 2020-7-24 13:24
这是一个偶然性和必然性的话题深入探讨

        物化的哲学(禅),其中就有舞蹈这种艺术形式,从它入手,深入浅出。
作者: 半梦半醒    时间: 2020-7-24 13:39
辕仁 发表于 2020-7-24 13:24
这是一个偶然性和必然性的话题深入探讨

       从你钟爱的音乐唱歌入手,我也非常喜欢。
作者: 半梦半醒    时间: 2020-7-24 13:41
辕仁 发表于 2020-7-24 13:09
整体化一,比如中国十大最美公路

  还有八横八纵骨干通信网络。
作者: 辕仁    时间: 2020-7-24 14:41
半梦半醒 发表于 2020-7-24 13:31
物化的哲学(禅),其中就有舞蹈这种艺术形式,从它入手,深入浅出。

其内涵是不落于文字语言,只可意会,不可言传,也就是说:身体在做什么,心就在做什么,讲究看清本心、直指当下、明心见性。
作者: 辕仁    时间: 2020-7-24 14:47
半梦半醒 发表于 2020-7-24 13:39
从你钟爱的音乐唱歌入手,我也非常喜欢。

哲学必须面对现实世界,音乐则创造出心灵的世界。
作者: 半梦半醒    时间: 2020-7-24 14:50
辕仁 发表于 2020-7-24 14:47
哲学必须面对现实世界,音乐则创造出心灵的世界。

     人类世界有二大通用语言,微笑与音乐。
作者: 半梦半醒    时间: 2020-7-24 14:52
辕仁 发表于 2020-7-24 14:41
其内涵是不落于文字语言,只可意会,不可言传,也就是说:身体在做什么,心就在做什么,讲究看清本心、直 ...

      解读的视角对我很新颖。
作者: 半梦半醒    时间: 2020-7-24 15:08
本帖最后由 半梦半醒 于 2020-7-24 15:12 编辑

  @  辕仁   唱歌与跳舞有一个共同点都有:配乐。  歌者与舞者他们对音乐的理解差异性在那里? 据你观察。
作者: 辕仁    时间: 2020-7-24 15:50
半梦半醒 发表于 2020-7-24 14:50
人类世界有二大通用语言,微笑与音乐。

微笑是心灵不屈的力量,音乐是心灵的感受。
作者: 辕仁    时间: 2020-7-24 15:55
半梦半醒 发表于 2020-7-24 15:08
@  辕仁   唱歌与跳舞有一个共同点都有:配乐。  歌者与舞者他们对音乐的理解差异性在那里? ...

他们对艺术的理解和感受是出奇的默契,随歌而舞,使人注意力集中,人的情绪一下子得到释放。
作者: 辕义    时间: 2020-7-24 16:37
辕仁 发表于 2020-7-24 15:55
他们对艺术的理解和感受是出奇的默契,随歌而舞,使人注意力集中,人的情绪一下子得到释放。

我都不知道回什么,你太厉害了!
作者: 半梦半醒    时间: 2020-7-24 16:38
本帖最后由 半梦半醒 于 2020-7-24 16:45 编辑
辕仁 发表于 2020-7-24 15:55
他们对艺术的理解和感受是出奇的默契,随歌而舞,使人注意力集中,人的情绪一下子得到释放。

   我听了你几首歌,唱功有,感情也到位,正统。  改变饮食结构,多吃辣,喝点烈酒白酒,野性就出来了。
作者: 辕仁    时间: 2020-7-24 16:45
半梦半醒 发表于 2020-7-24 16:38
我听了你几首歌,唱功有,感情也到位,正统。  改变饮食结构,多吃辣,喝点烈酒,野味就出来了。{:5 ...

格兰花格105能来几口
作者: 半梦半醒    时间: 2020-7-24 16:49
本帖最后由 半梦半醒 于 2020-7-24 16:50 编辑
辕仁 发表于 2020-7-24 16:45
格兰花格105能来几口

  换成老白干,二锅头,伏特加,内蒙板倒驴。
作者: 辕仁    时间: 2020-7-24 16:51
半梦半醒 发表于 2020-7-24 16:49
换成老白干,二锅头,伏特加,内蒙板倒驴。

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